[SojiroSeta]

Originally Posted by Skymonkey

Yeah I agree with naruto learning to control the Kyuubi and he gathers the chakra for him... I would say using the * tails was the same for killer bee when he first started to use it... The reason it hurts naruto is because he can't control it and the Kyuubi is trying to break out of his body and take control...

Also the Jutsu with the chakra that the kyuubi uses- and yes it is deffinantly a jutsu- is the same as the rasengan really... All the rasengan is is compressed rotating chakra... its a form of shape manipulation.... As they said in the manga when naruto was trying to learn the rasen shurike... there are 2 types of chakra manipulation... shape and nature...
Id say its a very high level of shape manipulation... and going by its dark colour its probably a form of Yin/yang chakra manipulation... most likely yang...

good points. would you say that maybe kyuubi is copying narutos attacks making it more up-scale. and do u think he might just make a rasen-shuriken of that menacing attack.

alot of people seems to forget that this, and if it does, would
be far ahead in the manga. i cant help but think it could be done in the latter years of the manga.

Originally Posted by ichijin

Sage chakra is nature chakra, Kyuubi can't gather said chakra, I mean, why do that when he has this other chakra that's near unlimited, and is just as powerful?

ichi. i dont mean that the kyuubi would be getting the sage chakra. remember the nature chakra source is external. he would be channeling it to naruto constantly. since its comming from outside sources then first thing it will go to is naruto. feel me?

lets be clear. that naruto will either loose the fox which would in turn mean he cannot becontrolled or he WILL control the fox. theres only two ways it will go. so if its the second of the two then if he gets controll, kyuubi WILL be more friendlier especially when he notices how powerful a shinobi naruto will be by then.

kyuubi just dont like naruto cause he thinks hes weak and what not. i dont see anything wrong with him changing after noticing how powerful naruto gets in his grownup years.

all the tailed beasts appears to be mean by nature but are then molded by their jinchurriki after they realize the power its owner has thus it grows trust and respect.

[Another_Sauske_Hater]

Originally Posted by SojiroSeta

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ichi. i dont mean that the kyuubi would be getting the sage chakra. remember the nature chakra source is external. he would be channeling it to naruto constantly. since its comming from outside sources then first thing it will go to is naruto. feel me?

lets be clear. that naruto will either loose the fox which would in turn mean he cannot becontrolled or he WILL control the fox. theres only two ways it will go. so if its the second of the two then if he gets controll, kyuubi WILL be more friendlier especially when he notices how powerful a shinobi naruto will be by then.

kyuubi just dont like naruto cause he thinks hes weak and what not. i dont see anything wrong with him changing after noticing how powerful naruto gets in his grownup years.

all the tailed beasts appears to be mean by nature but are then molded by their jinchurriki after they realize the power its owner has thus it grows trust and respect.

kyuubi lacks yin chakra(or whichever was sealed in naruto) so it can't perform sage mode as sage mode is unity in natural yin and yang chakra

[schickmaschine]

I should have been more exact.

I see several possibilities. As long as the Kyuubi Sage is produced it really doesn't matter. I also think that Naruto will have an unlitimited Sage Mode but as long as it's long it doesn't matter.

Possibility #1

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It's Sennin Mode I need to use. First I should work on extending how long I can use it for.

Possibility #2

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Here, Naruto starts gathering natural energy while moving. It's possible that Naruto will finish this ability so that he never runs out of Sage Chakra. In that case Naruto would gater the natural energy and combine it with Kyuubi's Yang chakra to make an infinitely large amount of Sage Chakra.

Possibility #3

Or you're right and Kyuubi will simply make an unlimited amount of Sage Chakra out of Yang Chakra and the Natural energy it gathers. However, Naruto will have to transform Kyuubi into a different being. In that case you're right, Kyuubi will take the job of being absolutely still and Naruto will use the sage yang chakra created from it.

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Even Fukasaku needs to remain still but the same rules account for Kyuubi. The question is whether Kyuubi can automatically gather Natural energy or whether he'll have to practice it.

All three versions allow Naruto to enter a Kyuubi Sage state so I'm pleased with any

[Skarn]

Well, Schick... #1 is a given.

#2 I find strange. Fukasaku was saying it's impossible as he was doing it... So it's definitely not impossible.

#3 Might be impossible... Though, actually, what about the reverse? I.E. instead of having the Kyuubi gather natural energy, have Naruto do it while in Kyuubi mode?

[schickmaschine]

Originally Posted by Skarn

Well, Schick... #1 is a given.

#2 I find strange. Fukasaku was saying it's impossible as he was doing it... So it's definitely not impossible.

#3 Might be impossible... Though, actually, what about the reverse? I.E. instead of having the Kyuubi gather natural energy, have Naruto do it while in Kyuubi mode?

Yup, that's Kyuubi Sage version #2 Naruto gathers an unlimited amount of natural energy while taking an unlimited amount of chakra from Kyuubi. This forms as much Sage chakra as he wants.

In #3 Kyuubi makes an unlimited amount of Sage chakra for him.

In #1 Naruto's Kyuubi Sage is limited to the amount of natural energy Naruto gathered. That's why i think this version is a waste of time

[Skarn]

Well, with the current kyuubi(and the current Naruto) #3 would be impossible... But we'll have to see.

Originally Posted by SojiroSeta

lets be clear. that naruto will either loose the fox which would in turn mean he cannot becontrolled or he WILL control the fox. theres only two ways it will go. so if its the second of the two then if he gets controll, kyuubi WILL be more friendlier especially when he notices how powerful a shinobi naruto will be by then.

kyuubi just dont like naruto cause he thinks hes weak and what not. i dont see anything wrong with him changing after noticing how powerful naruto gets in his grownup years.

all the tailed beasts appears to be mean by nature but are then molded by their jinchurriki after they realize the power its owner has thus it grows trust and respect.

I don't think that's it. As I understand it, the beasts on their own didn't have any personality, only when they were sealed did they get one.

I think the Bijuu's personality is based on the perceptions of the Jinchuriki. Either that or they act as such because it's convenient for them... Either way, I think it can be changed.

Also, I got the feeling that the Hachibi doesn't much respect Kirabi. xD

Hmm, what would the kyuubi look like in sage mode though?

... And how big of a giant rasengan could it make xD

[schickmaschine]

Originally Posted by Skarn

Well, with the current kyuubi(and the current Naruto) it'd be impossible... But we'll have to see.

Hmm, what would the kyuubi look like in sage mode though?

Yeah, which is why I lean towards Naruto gathering an unlimited amount of natural energy and Kyuubi lending unlimited yang chakra.

I doubt that Naruto really transforms in Kyuubi sage mode. The eyes will be the cross. The Chakra might take the form of Kyuubi around Naruto but I doubt he'll really transform.

[Skarn]

Originally Posted by schickmaschine

I doubt that Naruto really transforms in Kyuubi sage mode. The eyes will be the cross. The Chakra might take the form of Kyuubi around Naruto but I doubt he'll really transform.

If we're talking about later on in the manga, you know he will be able to eventually

It'd be annoying if he was the only one who couldn't...

[SojiroSeta]

yea as schick says no transfermation will occur except the eyes and the cloak of chakra. and were not talking about current naruto and kyuubi. were talking about later and im sure we can all agree or at least most of us believe that he will gain control or should i say the trust and friend of the kyuubi.

EDIT: as skarn said also he probably will be able to transform then since he would be the one in control. but they wont make it happen to often because i think the point is that he will use all of kyuubis power thru the control of sage mode. which means he wont have to grow the tails.

theyll prolly have kyuubi come out full 9tails when he goes out of his mind pissed off but it wouldnt be the end of naruto. it would be kinda like the hulk. let kyuubi rampage the enemy then when he calms/ get over the anger, he would go back to normal.

[Skarn]

I suppose that'd make more sense, but since when does what Naruto does make sense? I really wanna see Kyuubi go sage mode xD

Hmm, maybe I should try to make a fanart picture of that... Meh, I'm no good at art.