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Let’s start with this
Sasuke and Sakura This is just so that you get the picture of this theory. I am going to try and prove via the family tree in a specific part of mythology that Sasuke and Sakura is the most probable pairing. This is the bloodline of Ninigi no Mikoto. I'm going to try and prove to you that Kishimoto used this family tree in his manga to decide on the future pairings. Now the first myth I will introduce is that revolving around Ninigi no Mikoto. As you see in the family tree, Ninigi is the grandson of Amaterasu and Susano'o, two gods and both children of Izanagi and Izanami, creators of the world. Ninigi was a normal god until the other Kami in heaven decided that they weren't happy with the way the Kami on earth were living. There was too much chaos. Amaterasu, Ninigi's great grandmother decided to send him down to earth to restore the order. Before Ninigi left, Amaterasu gave him a sword, a shield and a necklace, these items are known as the Imperial Religia of Japan. What I'm saying is that Sasuke represents Ninigi in this family tree and in the myth, just like the manga. So I will list up some facts that explain why I believe this. Let's see how this myth fits in the manga. During the Itachi – Sasuke fight, Itachi passed on Yata's mirror, a part of the Imperial Religia. That is something that Amaterasu did when Ninigi was sent to earth. Check out what Itachi resembles. What does he leave behind for Sasuke: Itachi represents Amaterasu in this myth. He passes on the weapons. Itachi also initiated that Sasuke went to Orochimaru where he gained the Kusanagi sword. But there is another thing that happened during the Itachi-Sasuke fight: The former heaven curse seal represented Sasuke as Ninigi in heaven. When fighting Itachi he left heaven and was literally sent to earth. Get it? He lost the heaven seal he was sent from heaven by Amaterasu and was given the imperial religia Sasuke's mother's name is Uchiha Mikoto. Ninigi's name is Ninigi no Mikoto. Ninigi was sent to earth so that he would restore order. I'm sure Itachi had the same intention with Sasuke. But even so, you know what the Uchiha family was famous for in Konoha: You get the picture. Sasuke represents Ninigi, pretty obviously. During Ninigi's mission on earth he met Kono Hana no Sakuya-hime (Princess Tree of Flower Blossom) and her symbol is the cherry blossom. Sakura's name translated means cherry blossom. and her symbolism is made very clear as well in her youth when Ino talks o her about her name. So let's sum up: Sasuke will get together with Sakura, marry and have a child... This child's name will be something along the lines of: Hiko-hoho-demi. On the other side of the lineage there is Ryujin. Here is the mythology revolving around Ryujin, the dragon god. This dragon symbolizes the power of the ocean. He lives under the sea where he controls the tides with his magical tide jewels. Ryujin had a jewel... Naruto will in some time use this jewel to control the Kyuubi's chakra. That is what Kishimoto already suggests here. He already states clearly that Kyuubi can be controlled with this jewel: This is during the Sasuke-Naruto reunion. Yamato said that he would supress Kyuubi's chakra. But when the necklace is gone he can't suppress it anymore. This necklace is used to cause a complete "ebb" in the Kyuubi-chakra. But it's not just that. This necklace was already associated with dragons. What does Yamato use to control the Kyuubi's chakra: Again, you get the picture, Naruto resembles Ryujin since in the future he will use the necklace to control Kyuubi's chakra himself. So to sum up, Naruto will have a child called Toyotama Hime, or something kind of like that. And now look at the lineage. The children of Ninigi and Ryujin marry and have a child of their own, Emperor Jimmu, the first emperor of Japan. Now what this means is up for grabs but: That is the connection between Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto. Last edited by schickmaschine; 01-28-2009 at 09:31 AM. |
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Now to Naruto and Hinata
Here's some stuff on the "foxes wedding." Quote:
In mythology Kitsune often impersonate themselves as people, normally females but there are male cases. When they do this these foxes weddings can occur. It is said that a foxes wedding is accompanied by a sunshower. We find coverpages when Naruto and Hinata look towards the sun. And 50 chapters later this. Kishimoto made rough drafts on most characters. Here's the one of Hinata: In the picture you see Hinata mainly. She's wearing a necklace with the Uzumaki swirl on it. Naruto is in the bottom left of the picture. You can only see the back with the swirl on it because he is facing the sun, also with an Uzumaki swirl in it. Also said about the sunshower / "foxes wedding" is that the sun is at a low angle. Hinato is also facing the sun but for a different reason. Her name's meaning: So they are both facing the sun like in the myths. There is this weird creature in the middle left section that I'm not quite sure what to interpret it as. I just try do fit it into my personal conception of a dragon. Dragon, in mythology, control rain and their bodies are made of water. It symbolizes the rain during this scene but was hidden as metaphorical rain. Thus we can now complete the pairings with this mythological information. We have Ninigi Uchiha marrying Kono Hana no Sakuya Hime. --> Sasuke getting together with Sakura. The mythology behind this pairing is the characters in mythology that Team 7 resembles. Ryujin has a child but we don't know with whom. Then we have the Foxes wedding. This only counts for Naruto. --> Naruto gets together with Hinata. This solves the question behind who Ryujin has the child with. This connection isn't all that awkward, jumping from the dragons to Kitsune since the first marks on Naruto were the whiskers which both Kitsune and Dragons have. Last edited by schickmaschine; 01-24-2009 at 09:42 PM. |
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First...
There is a low chance that a pairing would happen... This is a shonen manga, ninjas, fighting and stuff... But I don't exclude it.... Second, I think you were against Pairings in naruto...? You said that in your Fujin and Raijin theory... So this tread some what contradicts that thread... (I'll have to reread that thread...OMG...>_>, Cuz I'm not sure) But anyone can change his mind... That necklace looks Like pain's Necklace... The Sage of six path's necklace, to be more exact... The myth is ok.. It fits with many things... But some times we might be just looking to deep... Kishimoto might have used that myth for the beginning, and maybe he is planning on using only half of it.... By half I Mean.. Hinata loves Naruto and Sakura Loves Sasuke (Which is already in the manga) The Other half are Sasuke and Naruto... They don't like the girls... Well naruto somewhat like sakura... But the end can change that... BUT only in the end.. like the final chapter... I don't think naruto is a manga where people will have babies... |
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Hmm...I agree with Filip for the most part. For the record, I think your NaruHina argument was stronger. I think you put too much stock in the mythology. A lot of the connections you make may be true, but that doesn't mean that things are going to happen a certain way. Anyway...nicely put together.
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i agree, you might be looking to deep, i believe when kishimoto originally released the manga, neither sakura nor sasuke were intended to be long term. (hence why some people think sakuras name might OF BEEN a sort of inside joke, cherry blossoms symbolize transience), kishimoto has probably changed his direction about a lot of things
that being said, the pairings you noted, are probably the most likely ones too develop
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Thats what I'm thinking filip...but the manga follows mythology so closely though. I don't think kishi will use mythos until the end though because just about everytime there's a battle in Naruto some one usually ends up dead and who's to say any character is untouchable? Then again it would make sense for a manga built around mythos to end that way.
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Even thought the series is kind of based on japanese mythology, pairings based on mythology in my opinion have no meaning. You can't determine something like that on myths.
And its unlikely pairings will develop in Naruto... 1) Things like that don't tend to happen in manga like this... 2)Thats what fanfictions are for ![]() |
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Ok I'll be the first to say I agree with this
Especially the cover pictures you used, because the covers reveal alot more than most other things. I'm too tired to quote all the replys at the moment but theres alot of stuff based on Japanese mythology in Naruto and other Shonens (and i'm talking beyond this thread and the Jiraiya-Tsunade-Orochimaru stuff now) References to various religions, legends and stories all exist for readers to examine and interpret in their own way. Therefore this is very much a proven thing since Kishimoto would have purposly written it in knowing that the majority of Japanese readers would pick up on it. That being said, it is true that it is unlikley to happen, since there is too much going on already BUT an epilogue showing the outcome is very likely. I enjoyed reading it, alot of work went into it and its gonna be hard for anyone to make a serious argument against it!! +++ reps!! A bit more specific now... @Filip The Sage of six path's necklace is the one with the spikes on, nothing like the one Hinata is wearing. ANd because he is against Pairings makes no difference to the theory or the piles of evidence he provided @aka This stuff is put into manga so you have something to write about in your Fanfics ![]() |
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Um.. Ero....
Just what I said.. ![]() The same thing.. ![]() And I'm referring to the regalia necklace... It does look like Pain's necklace.. (I'm just saying it looks like it, I'm not saying it's connected) But as I said.. The Myth fits with the manga... But it'll only happen in the last few chapters.. ![]() BTW I forgot that I have to open a thread about the cover pages.. Schick, expect my PM, ero same to you... I want that thread to hold the biggest Spoilers ![]() Last edited by Filip The Great; 01-24-2009 at 11:51 PM. |
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Nice thread, kinda makes me sad. Too much evidence against Naruto + Sakura (mind you, I didn't read it all). Too bad Kishi isn't European / American- I'd argue the Oedipus Complex.
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