[Erosennin900]

Please read it ALL before replying please. I'd hate to repeat myself later
Oh and don't read unless you have read Naruto Manga 409. Seriously.

All topics raised are open to discussion.

Naruto is going to learn Senjutsu!!!

Senjutsu and Naruto

"Ero! Senjutsu sounds familiar! does that mean the Senju clan with all their Nature Jutsu's used Senjutsu?"
Senju is written 千手, "thousand hands". Not related in any way to 仙術, "hermit techniques" so no to that theory
Plus remember that Harishima was the only shinobi (except Tenzou) to ever use Mokuton.

Senjutsu, sounds a bit like the force to be truthful, and the ability to use Senjutsu for increased strength/stamina/higher abilities will makes Sakura useless again. (until she gets her focus on training)
To use an external source of energy alongside Naruto's large base chakra + Kyuubi chakra makes for almost unlimited potential for Naruto
That is once he dies. *Gasp*

Kyuubi/death theorySo if we literally take that Naruto must die, Will he lose the Kyuubi if this happens? My theory is that Naruto will lose the Kyuubi at some point, with his mastery of senjutsu making up for this loss. The manga has been hinting towards it for while. Here are a few points to back it up.

-Akatsuki plan to capture ALL the Bijuu, if the Kyuubi dies along with Naruto or is released completly will be see. I think the Kyuubi still has a large roll to play (maybe naruto vs Kyuubi in the distant future?)

-Yamato telling Naruto his own strength is sufficient and Naruto telling the Kyuubi that he doesn't need its power

-Naruto, to master Senjutsu, must "die". Its been said before that the Kyuubi will die alongside naruto or be released completly if Naruto was to ever die

-Naruto has built up his own huge base chakra from resisting the Kyuubi for so many years. Kakashi estimates it to be at least 4 times his own.


And a quick flashback.
Sasuke already died once to open cursed seal 2, but this is different. I'm pretty sure that Sasuke's 'Kirin' Jutsu, while similar, does not use Senjutsu.
Can Sharingan copy Senjutsu? I'll leave that for for you to answer and add my opinion later.


The Eight Tails
The Hachibi eyes look like sun glasses to me, though he could be blind or have eyes on his tentacles or other parts of his body.
Let me know your thoughts on that. He also has an awesome attitude towards Sasuke, reminding him to use Honorifics (Sama, san, kun, etc) It'll be interesting to see what happens.

The Toads
We've also seen that Gamakichi can summon Naruto, this confirms that human summons are possible (think back to when Iruka was summoned from the Heaven/Earth scrolls)
I'm thinking now that if Naruto is ever captured by Pein the frogs will probably summon him back, but there is no chance of this happening for now unless Pein finds the secret route to Myobokuzan, even then it takes a month.
Naruto will return after his training is almost complete, take a beating from Pein, then some flashbacks, then he'll realise how its done and kick Pein back to the rain village - good prediction eh?

Gamakichi has really grown aswell! He'll soon be Bunta's size if he doesn't slow down. He also understands Naruto very well, I can see him being Naruto's boss summon in the future.

On the subject of summoning, if Naruto could summon himself using Kage Bunshins that opens lots of potential for space/time Jutsu.

The scroll
On page 3 of chapter 409 Fukusaku holds up the toad scroll, and guess what! I translated the names on it for you guys Its very detailed so i'll spoiler tag it.

  Spoiler: The toad scroll names 

From left to right the first 3 names are: Naruto, Minato, and Jiraiya.

The next two are a little more difficult since there names haven't been mentioned before.

But I'll try for you because I'm nice

Its written in Kanji and It looks like:
forth name: 米十烝
fifth name: 龍焦
Sixth name: not readable - the smoke is in the way.

米 can be read as "bei", "mai", "kome" or "yone"
十 can be read as "juu", "tou" or "to"
烝 can be read as "Jou" or "Susumu" in terms of names

龍 can be read as "ryuu" or "tatsu"
焦 is usually read as "Shou"


Depending on how you combine the Kanji together, you can get Maito Susumu / Beijuu Susumu (if you take 米十 together and 烝 by itself) or Kome Tojou / Yone Tojou (if you take 米 by itself and 十烝 together) for the forth name, and Ryuushou for the fifth name.

Thats if I didn't misread the Kanji

The 6th one on the far right is almost impossible to read

Pein
Pein stated he will 'kill anyone in the way'. Does that mean he can solo Konoha? Did he forget about Gai?
Jokes aside, I really don't know, the fodder nins will die left right and centre but Kakashi/Tenzou/Gai/Tsunade may slow him down
However from my reading it seems he will try to draw as little attention as possible in order to take Naruto. Konan Mentions preparations
What kind of Preparations?

One last compliment on for Kishimoto. The one part Naruto, one part Sasuke, one part Pein/Akatsuki formula works well,
and should keep most people happy.


I may add more if i think about anything else.
Comments, discussion, critism, hate and love all welcome.

[johntmh]

Overall the chapter is fine. I seriously think Naruto should stop being spoiled or stupid all the time. He doesn’t have the time to be fool at this moment. Among all the ninjas, Naruto is the only one that’s unreliable without the Kyuubi’s power. It is sad to know that main character didn’t develop or matured after more than 2 years training with Jiraiya. I think it’s inappropriate for Naruto to act like that since he just knew about the death of Jiraiya.

This chapter did explain about the Sage technique that we all didn’t really focus on. We thought the Sage technique is just another ninjutsu or some kind of technique using chakra but it’s not. Apart of that, we do hope that Sage technique is much more powerful than what we have known so far. Naruto needs to surpass Jiraiya and become worthy and strong ninja, otherwise this story will still drag on and the training will become meaningless.

Basically, the secret of the code that passed down by Jiraiya is still left unknown. We do know the code is related to the chapter of the books he wrote so far. Kakashi, who is the fan of the books know more about the story in the book will then take little responsibility to help to decode the code.

The battle between the Sasuke and the 8-tail Jinchuuriki will start in the chapter. No question, this is will be Sasuke’s victory, not because the Jinchuuriki is weak but Kishi has planned to make Sasuke into such a powerful ninja, so it’s obvious what he wants.

Looks like Paine hasn’t really attack Konoha yet, even if he did, Naruto is not in the village. From what he mentioned about his goal is the nine-tailed beast and has no intention to destroy the Konoha. However, since he won’t be able to find Naruto, I think a battle between Konoha and Paine will probably happen.

Summary:

Don’t you think Kishi has made Sasuke too powerful opponent in such a short period?

Naruto will have more technique, one from Sage and the other one from Itachi, although we still not sure what is it.

The battle between Paine and Konoha won’t happen in next chapter but the battle between the 8-tailed beast and Sasuke will.

The secret about the code still left unknown but at least there are clues to it.

[Erosennin900]

Yep I agree with you although its a shame the Eight tails is just a tool to show Sasukes new power.
Theres still at least 4-5 chapters before Pein hits Konoha, the fight between Sasuke and the eight tails will take 1-3 chapters depending on its strength.

What we have of the code so far is 'The real on isn't with them'

I also pray that Naruto dosen't come back with another new rasengan.

[Naruto Sama]

I agree with johntmh about the fact so much stronger, a bit to strong in my opinion in such a short time. Yes, he has Orochimaru as his sensei, but even he couldnt teach sasuke that fast and that effective. It also is annoying that naruto still hasnt managed to get serious after all that happened. Even with jiraiya's death he has no sense of haste or seriousness in the training which he really should have during this crisis time.

I really dont get the bit where naruto has to die? what will happen to the kyuubi? and how will he get back to life?

EDIT: lol erosennin, I would kill myself if he comes up with another type of rasengan xD

EDIT 2: Im really wondering what kind of power itachi left naruto, maybe the sharingan itself?!

[Erosennin900]

In the manga it said he has to die once to 'become one with nature'

The point I raised was what would happen to the Kyuubi when Naruto dies? Will it be released? will it die aswell?
Maybe I didn't make it clear I was in a rush.

As for Sasuke 2 and a half years is a long time and Sasuke is considered one of the best Geniuses, so its not surprising he came out so strong in my opinion

[Naruto Sama]

how can he die and live again? xD i mean , even for naruto, its impossible.

[Erosennin900]

I dunno, I'm sure Kishimoto has some surprises for us.

Infact I guess it'll be in the same way that Gaara died and lived again

[Naruto Sama]

yea but in that case elder chiyo sacrified her own life, can toads to that ? ^^

[Erosennin900]

Who says it has to be a toad, Tsunade was known to be the greatest medic nin ever, greater than Chiyo.

[Naruto Sama]

im very intrested in the power that itachi gave to naruto, what do you all think it could be? im curious.