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Originally Posted by ichijin

Alright, but can you prove this?

There is no indication that Kage Bunshin was copied. Also, it was stated that the Scroll held the "secrets of Konoha", that's pretty much similar to a Kekkei Genkai don't you think? Kekkei Genkai are limited to clans, however the scroll is to Konoha, holding the secrets to their most advanced Jutsu.

If Kage Bunshin can simply be copied, wouldn't it be pointless to have it in a scroll?

Well, who else has the Sharingan besides Sasuke, Kakashi, Itachi,

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Madara and Danzo

And besides, Sasuke is the only one who's not a Jounin-leveled shinobi according to teh villages. Itachi & Kakashi are definitely Konoha Jounin.

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Madara and Danzo are, Kage level of course.

So they should probably have known it already from before.

And btw, they're all konoha shinobi. Who else can copy it using Sharingan?

[ichijin]

I'm not even going to ask you what sort of proof that is

All you're doing is stating the obvious, so what Danzo and Madara are kage level, so what that they have the sharingan. All you've done was state that obvious, obviously Madara and Danzo should be able to use Kage Bunshin, so there's no need for them to copy it, and with their level of skill they wouldn't even need it, but the whether or not Kage Bunshin can be copied has not yet been established. So far my point stands strong. Kage Bunshin cannot be copied, and the scroll is required to learn it.

Also, Uzumaki Caboose. So far the Sharingan has only been able to copy normal Jutsu that use the elements, defying the rule of elements. However it is unable to copy Kekkei Genkai, which require the secrets of the clan to learn. Kage Bunshin can be said as similar, as it requires the secrets of the village, via the Scroll to learn.

Do you get my point?

It doesn't matter how scarce the Sharingan users are, that's also stating the obvious. We are trying to establish whether or not it can be copied. So far no one has presented proof saying that it can be copied.

[Another_Sauske_Hater]

Originally Posted by ichijin

I'm not even going to ask you what sort of proof that is

All you're doing is stating the obvious, so what Danzo and Madara are kage level, so what that they have the sharingan. All you've done was state that obvious, obviously Madara and Danzo should be able to use Kage Bunshin, so there's no need for them to copy it, and with their level of skill they wouldn't even need it, but the whether or not Kage Bunshin can be copied has not yet been established. So far my point stands strong. Kage Bunshin cannot be copied, and the scroll is required to learn it.

Also, Uzumaki Caboose. So far the Sharingan has only been able to copy normal Jutsu that use the elements, defying the rule of elements. However it is unable to copy Kekkei Genkai, which require the secrets of the clan to learn. Kage Bunshin can be said as similar, as it requires the secrets of the village, via the Scroll to learn.

Do you get my point?

It doesn't matter how scarce the Sharingan users are, that's also stating the obvious. We are trying to establish whether or not it can be copied. So far no one has presented proof saying that it can be copied.

some 1 stated in manga that : sharingan can copy almost any justu, exept summons, and of course it can copy clone jutsu, why wouldn't it be able to?
During zabuza arc kakashi copyed water clone.

[My Rinnegan]

Thats true but the water clone might not have to use a scroll

[o037]

Omg how did this get so many replies? o_O

Anyway...can the shadow clone jutsu be copied? The answer is...well...yeah, and I'm pretty sure you don't need the sharingan to do it. I doubt Naruto would take the time to teach it to Konohamaru, I think it's just that Naruto started using it, a bunch of people saw him use it, they copied, and now everyone and his brother can use it.

About the scroll, I don't think so. If it's something that only Konoha has access to, then why do we see Temari planning on using shadow clones in her fight with Shikamaru? Though that seems to only be in the anime.

[My Rinnegan]

In the fight with shikamaru she said she would use the clone jutsu thats the d-rank version, the clones cant do anything

[X.:.Scarlet.Mangekyou.:.X]

Ichi...you seem adamant about this but you are wrong.
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique[1]



Name Multiple Shadow Clone Technique

Viz manga Multiple Shadow Dopplegangers Technique

English TV Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu

Debut

Debut (manga) Chapter #1

Debut (anime) Naruto Episode #1

Data

Classification Kinjutsu, Ninjutsu

Rank A-rank

Class Supplementary

Hand signs Technique specific hand seal

Other jutsu

Parent jutsu Shadow Clone Technique

Users:
Naruto Uzumaki
Kakashi Hatake

and

Still determined to win, Zabuza relentlessly attacked Kakashi, but the battle turned completely in Kakashi favor, easily outmaneuvering Zabuza. Gato and the rest of his henchmen later showed up to have Zabuza disposed of as a result of his failure, only for Zabuza to kill Gato. While Kakashi witnessed the event, Gato's henchmen in turn killed Zabuza. In response, Kakashi used his Multiple Shadow Clone Technique to scare the thugs away!

Now it says there, SHADOW clone, so its not a lighning clone. Also the scroll is not the scroll of secrets its a scroll of Kinjutsu, or Forbidden jutsu, put away due to the high risk of killing the user. So i think this puts the final nail in the coffin. *raises hand in celebratory manner*

[ichijin]

I really don't see how it disproves my statement... Nail in the coffin?... Pfft, more like a shot to your own foot.

All you did was recount events and state the obvious... Again. First you say Kakashi used Shadow Clones against Zabuza, great, so what? That just means he can use it. So what if it wasn't Lightning Clones? I stated that Lightning Clones is an expansion from Shadow Clones, you know, like a skill tree in an online game.

I need proof that Shadow Clones can be copied, not statements saying that it can, and attempts at it. I need solid, cold, hard, hot and bitter, strong and adamant, bursting and erupting evidence that it can be copied.

Example- An event where we lay witness to the copying of the jutsu

The scroll was in a filler, and described in a filler. It may be a forbidden scroll, but only Jounin, according to the filler are allowed to see it, as I've already said, this is the scroll where Naruto learned Kage Bunshin. That also includes the Hokage and higher ups of course. You may think the filler is irrelevant, but I can tell you this, Kishimoto supervises the story of all the fillers, therefore anything said in fillers are considered fact. The only thing that isn't fact, is that the events of each filler never happened, but that doesn't change that whatever was featured, was fact.

I will repeat, I don't want you recounting events, I don't want you saying what the character used, I want you to show me the exact event of Kage Bunshin being copied.

I will not, raise my hand in a celabratory manner either. Only a fool celebrates before the results roll in.

If this is the best can give me, then you should probably give up.

[Skarn]

It should be noted that there are two versions, the normal one using 3 seals (I forget what they are) And the "multiple" version, Naruto's, which uses just the one. The difference is that one doesn't have to change hand signs, so it can be used rapidly both by the initial user and the clones as soon as they materialize. Only the multiple version is forbidden, and only it uses the special seal.

As to whether it can be copied... The regular version definitely can. Either version can, probably. The sharingan can see chakra flows, after all. I think it doesn't really matter what the hands are doing, they're just used to direct the flow. Sort of. xD On the other hand, I haven't seen an instance where it (or any jutsu using a non-standard seal) was copied.

So, while there's no direct proof, I don't see why not. My basic assumption is this: if it can be learned from a scroll, it can be copied. Jutsus that can't are the exception, not the rule. Exceptions would be jutsus that require a bloodline or that require a nature manipulation or tools that the user doesn't have.

[ichijin]

If there is no proof then there is no need to continue.

I'll state one of the thesis statements I've made. As long as the jutsu uses the basic 13 seals, it can be copied, however there is an exception with some jutsus. Namely Kekkei Genkai.

If Kage Bunshin has a version that uses 3 seals, then that can very likely be copied, however the move isn't used often anyways, due to the fact that it requires 3 seals, and can only call forth one clone at a time. The Forbidden on that Naruto uses I believe cannot be copied, Kinjutsu and Kekkei Genkai I believe possess one common factor, and that would be that they are exclusive, meaning that only those who learn it, are able to use it.

Present proof, or wait for it to appear in the manga. Either way, proof speaks more than even a hundred thousand paragraphs.