[Juugo]

Originally Posted by Erosennin900

Thanks to Naruto Sama for helping with ideas (such as colours and underlining sounds)
Thanks to Alpha_522 for helping with creating this 'second' thread'
Thanks to Darkshadowlurker for the sticky!
Thanks to everyone else for your patience, support and Ideas

Konnichiwa! Welcome to Japanese 101!

If most of you watch anime you'll know what that means, and you'll probably know some other stuff too, but this is your chance to learn some serious Japanese and hopefully help you understand the language.

Now, this isn't a simple phrasebook, oh no, these are real lessons from a real Japanese guy (me) I've spoken the language for 19 years so I hope I know what I'm doing

Before we start just some things to remember:

*Japanese is not insanely hard, but nor is it easy (try chinese for a challenge)
the grammer and words are completly different from any other English or European Language.

*This will be a very detailed guide, with many individual lessons. (I keep noting things down to teach)

*Take your time, don't rush and forget things, if you don't learn the basics you'll struggle with the rest, make sure you are comfortable before moving on.

*Although these are lessons, I can't promise the best lessons in the world, I'm a college student not a teacher.

*Use this thread for discussion and practice, you can all help each other learn.

*Please remember this is far from finished, I'm writing lessons down as notes and drafting them first so you could get two lessons in a day or one a week, I really can't promise when though, I don't want to rush and miss anything important.

Before we start

Now, If your not shaking with terror we'll get started. If you scroll down a bit you'll see a few spoilers with the lessons inside to save space because they will be quite long. I will also try to colour code things to help make you understand the structure of sentances

All the lessons except the first will be 100% phonetics, refer back to lesson 1 for the symbols.


See you all in lesson three!
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you know, you got it wrong. "Kore wa katana desu." "Kore" refers to something in your posession. "Wa" refers to "is". of course Katana is the sword. and Desu is just a way to end the sentence as supposed to saying desu ka which is normally the end of a sentence. im actually majoring in Japanese in college, so you might want to look over your stuff, because a lot of it is wrong. some things you have a general grasp on, but for the most part, you need to learn it before you can even teach it. there are also so many different ways of saying something like Kore, Sore, Are, Dare and such. if you need help, i will be happy to assist you so you're not teaching people the wrong things. the japanese language is very complex such that there are so many ways of something the same thing. some things are only said by guys, some things are only said by girls. take for instance...Datte Bayo! that is an expression, not necesarrily a phrase, only said by guys that expresses something that they HAVE to do. like say for instance naruto always says that, especially when hes talking about saving sasuke. he says Datte bayo because he feels he HAS to save sasuke because sasuke is his best friend. so yeah man. if you need help, let me know. i'd hate for people to learn japanese the wrong way. especially with it being my major in college. i mean, for the most part, you have a pretty good grasp, but ill read things over and see what needs to be corrected if you dont mind.

[DarkShadowLurker]

Ero IS Japanese >_>

[Juugo]

Originally Posted by DarkShadowLurker

Ero IS Japanese >_>

it doesnt mean what hes saying is correct. some of it is, some of it is not. ive spent a year in hokaido for my major in japanese dude. all im doing is offering help so that you guys arent learning bad habits or wrong diction. constructive criticism. i mean really. if you'd like, ero and i could have a conversation in japanese. this is just what you do in college man. especially when you're in a language class, you talk to eachother and correct eachother when you say something wrong or do something wrong so that you learn the correct way. seeing that this is my MAJOR IN COLLEGE, for the past 3 years with 6 years experience taking japanese language classes from 7th grade all through highschool, and one year in hokaido japan, im not downing him or what hes doing. just offering help.

[Deevious Demon]

Originally Posted by Juugo

you know, you got it wrong. "Kore wa katana desu." "Kore" refers to something in your posession. "Wa" refers to "is". of course Katana is the sword. and Desu is just a way to end the sentence as supposed to saying desu ka which is normally the end of a sentence. im actually majoring in Japanese in college, so you might want to look over your stuff, because a lot of it is wrong. some things you have a general grasp on, but for the most part, you need to learn it before you can even teach it. there are also so many different ways of saying something like Kore, Sore, Are, Dare and such. if you need help, i will be happy to assist you so you're not teaching people the wrong things. the japanese language is very complex such that there are so many ways of something the same thing. some things are only said by guys, some things are only said by girls. take for instance...Datte Bayo! that is an expression, not necesarrily a phrase, only said by guys that expresses something that they HAVE to do. like say for instance naruto always says that, especially when hes talking about saving sasuke. he says Datte bayo because he feels he HAS to save sasuke because sasuke is his best friend. so yeah man. if you need help, let me know. i'd hate for people to learn japanese the wrong way. especially with it being my major in college. i mean, for the most part, you have a pretty good grasp, but ill read things over and see what needs to be corrected if you dont mind.

Sooo what your saying is..some of it is right and some of it is incorrect? I mean it's always gd to get a second opinion on things like that...since we..people who don't speak japanese have no clue about if things are correct or not. But I have to say yea from a person that is Japanese I would expect them to speak/write it well...maybe ero just made sum minor mistakes... eh... since hes only trying to help us and you are doing a major I would understand where you are coming from. Either or offering your help is a nice way of helping ero...but thats my opinion... And yea I'd like to learn it knowing its right cos i've been trying to learn it now for a while with other sites etc...haha.. but still I don't wanna make a fool of myself...

[Juugo]

Originally Posted by KakashiGaiden

Erosennin wa boku no Nipongo sensei.

Am I saying that right?

nihongo, but for the most part, yeah. although you would also usually say boku wa. and in the word nihongo, "nihon" is "japanese", and "go" is "language". so "nihongo". "japanese language." for "english language", it would "ego". the "e" is pronounced as though you were saying it like eggo as in eggo waffles. a lot of what ero is teaching, for the most part, correct. im just going through all of his lessons to correct any MINOR mistakes he might have made. some of the things he teaches you are actually real informal ways of speaking, but dont let me mislead you to think he doesnt know what hes doing. like i said. some is correct, and some needs to be corrected so if you were ever in japan you wouldnt sound like a rude person.

[Juugo]

you dont need it.

[Juugo]

let me just get one thing straight though. it seems to me as though people are taking it the wrong way. im not here to prove erosennin wrong or ANYTHING like that. no. on the contrary, i may only be a japanese major in college, but being a japanese major, you learn way more than just the language, so even though i have only 9 years of japanese language under my belt, there are so many more things about the language that i keep learning every day. i may not be japanese, but i speak it on a daily basis because a lot of my friends are japanese. many from japan. i dont speak it perfectly, but i know much about the language that i can carry on full conversations with people, and conduct business, or even teach if i had to. again. im not here to prove erosennin wrong, because thats not the approach that im taking. im more like being a classmate making sure that my classmate is getting things right. im not perfect in the language, and if i need to be corrected then ill take it, but, if i see something that needs to be corrected, i will correct it. that way, we could all pass the test! thats the concept im coming from, for those who dont understand why i "butted" in. japanese is a beautiful language, and there is so much to learn about it, and believe me though when i say, speaking it is a hell of a lot more easier than writing it. japanese teachers are strict when it comes to how you write a character, how long the strokes are, the angles of the strokes, the curves, and the direction your strokes are written. i totally am for what erosennin is doing, i would hate for people to learn something wrong and then go up to a japanese person and sound rude or crude.

[Naruto Sama]

guys stop argueing, its a japanese thread, we dont need this stuff...IF you have advice or a comment just pm him or say it without to much critisism...dont make such a fuss about it.

[Filip The Great]

Originally Posted by Naruto Sama

guys stop argueing, its a japanese thread, we dont need this stuff...IF you have advice or a comment just pm him or say it without to much critisism...dont make such a fuss about it.

mah.. Just leave them..
Plus the dude is trying to help
And he said he'll talk to ero...
And we'll see what happens..

[Erosennin900]

Originally Posted by Juugo

you know, you got it wrong. "Kore wa katana desu." "Kore" refers to something in your posession. "Wa" refers to "is". of course Katana is the sword. and Desu is just a way to end the sentence as supposed to saying desu ka which is normally the end of a sentence. im actually majoring in Japanese in college, so you might want to look over your stuff, because a lot of it is wrong. some things you have a general grasp on, but for the most part, you need to learn it before you can even teach it. there are also so many different ways of saying something like Kore, Sore, Are, Dare and such. if you need help, i will be happy to assist you so you're not teaching people the wrong things. the japanese language is very complex such that there are so many ways of something the same thing. some things are only said by guys, some things are only said by girls. take for instance...Datte Bayo! that is an expression, not necesarrily a phrase, only said by guys that expresses something that they HAVE to do. like say for instance naruto always says that, especially when hes talking about saving sasuke. he says Datte bayo because he feels he HAS to save sasuke because sasuke is his best friend. so yeah man. if you need help, let me know. i'd hate for people to learn japanese the wrong way. especially with it being my major in college. i mean, for the most part, you have a pretty good grasp, but ill read things over and see what needs to be corrected if you dont mind.

Well if your doing a Japanese major then good luck

This will be the only time I'll say this.

To be honest, the moment you said that "wa" refers to "is" I just stopped reading.

I'll try and be polite about this

I may have made some minor mistakes in spelling but I'm not stupid enough to mess up that much...I have 19 years experience in Japanese...You are doing a major...see my point?

I've already mentioned its a difficult Language...why do you think I started with basics? You'll also notice as you read through that I mentioned different variations on words, aswell as alot of other things you mentioned.

Kore, Sore, Are, Dare do all mean the same thing but it depends where the object being talked about is - I'm covering it in my nex lesson

As for Dattebayo, Naruto is the only person who uses that phrase, at the end of most of his sentances.

Of course I can't prove that I'm teaching this correctly since there is no third party to decide which argument is correct. I just hope people trust me.


I can't even begin to say how much is wrong with your translation of "Kore wa Katana desu" So I won't...Just look at lesson two if your curious.

one last question.

あなたわどこのぢあがくをそつぎょうしたのですか

Thats all I have to say.